Parking spaces at malls by Ms. Ardyce E

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Parking spaces at malls (by Ms. Ardyce E)
Sep 06, 2012 Marc Thornton Ahwatukee, Estrella and Laveen Village Planner Forwarded to PlanPHX Leadership Committee and appropriate city department	11 7 15

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The minimum number of parking spaces on large retail properties is currently determined by the expected traffic on Black Friday. Many merchants are spreading their specials and hours over the entire weekend because they can't handle the crowds (mobs). So if they're trying to reduce the number of customers, wouldn't it make sense to reduce the number of parking spaces?\

Merchants control Black Friday. It seems that they are modifying their policies. I think that the city should follow them.

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by Will Novak Existing dying malls, i.e. Christown, Desert Sky, and PV could all easily be turned into New Urbanist style town centers. Christown would especially be a good candidate for this because its along the light rail line and has a park and library nearby.

Sep 06, 2012 at 2:59 PM
by Ardyce E Yup. They must follow the same procedures and zoning ordinances as everyone else.

Sep 10, 2012 at 4:12 PM
by Derek H1 So who really needs to be convinced is the city to give the mall owners the freedom to develop their own property the way they see fit.

Sep 10, 2012 at 3:07 PM
by Ardyce E Derek, I think one of my comments was poorly written if it's being interpreted like this. The mall owners probably can't reduce the minimum by themselves because that would be a zoning change If that number is reduced, those square feet can be used to amend their footprint The minute they try to build, they'd go back to zoning We can't overlook the usual phrase included in plan approval; "build according to site plan".

Sep 10, 2012 at 12:16 PM
by Derek H1 Ardyce, why would the mall owners need to be convinced that they instead of the city should be allowed to decide how many parking spaces to provide for their own customers?

Sep 10, 2012 at 11:09 AM
by Ardyce E The person to convince first is not me but the mall owners, who will have to convince the neighbors and their respective council members. I've heard a couple of ideas(plus yours) that seem cool on the surface

Sep 06, 2012 at 4:49 PM
by Ardyce E I'm a grassroots , neighborhood activist who has worked with many others for twenty years to get Christown Spectrom Mall up to where it is now. And I'm by no means satisfied, nor are leaders in other adjoining neighborhoods.We are looking at the station area TOD, respecting the fact that we don't own this property. Only the property owner can rezone.

Sep 06, 2012 at 4:17 PM
by Bob D3 How can we work on getting the parking minimums reduced for existing malls as well as any new malls we can't prevent being built?

Sep 06, 2012 at 2:35 PM
by Derek H1 Instead of only changing the formula, they could eliminate the formula entirely and still never have a parking shortage. Here's how: http://www.myplanphx.com/shaping-phoenix-s-future/bring-modern-parking-management-technology-to-phoenix

Sep 06, 2012 at 4:33 PM
by Ardyce E If Planning and Zoning changes the formula for calculating the minimum number of parking spaces they could allow the zoning change to apply to large retail centers also including power centers and big boxes.

Sep 06, 2012 at 3:55 PM
by Bob D3 Great for new malls, of which I fervently hope precisely none are ever built, but what about existing malls?
If the parking spaces are cut in half, say, and all the acreage is freed up for different uses what can we do with those acres?

Sep 06, 2012 at 2:04 PM
by Ardyce E My apologies, Bob. That depends on the owner and the surrounding neighborhoods,which is a process the city could exeidite but not force. It could include usage changes or not.

Sep 06, 2012 at 4:28 PM
by Bob D3 I was using '"we" in a non specific universally inclusive way, like "we, the people".

Sep 06, 2012 at 4:18 PM
by Ardyce E By "WE" DO you mean the property owners and the adjoining neighborhoods?

Sep 06, 2012 at 4:00 PM
by Derek H1 The land could be used for condos and office buildings. Then a person could live, work, and shop all within walking distance.

Sep 06, 2012 at 2:15 PM

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