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Downtown Pedestrian Mall
Imagine a Phoenix version of Santa Monica's 3rd Street promenade
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Denver has one, so does Santa Monica. Why not Phoenix? Outdoor pedestrian malls encourage development and bring the community together. Plus we've got plenty of space downtown. Pick a street central to the light rail with good parking and little development and close the street to traffic. 2nd Ave or 3rd Ave between Van Buren and McKinley? 1st or 2nd St? Encourage builders to develop vacant lots along the street with mixed use properties. Provide tax incentives to encourage independent businesses to open. I'm not a city planner, so I have no idea how this would be implemented, but I think this would be a cool addition to our city.

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  • John G15

    by John G15 The [new] downtown code calls out for a paseo downtown just north of Van Buren, west of Central. Now adding some sort of incentive to foster this development would likely be needed as a means to ignite the idea.

    Nov 02, 2012 at 10:45 AM  
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    by Joe B8 We don't need cars on every single street.
    Cars enabled sprawl which lead to downtown being abandoned.
    If cars are the cause of what happened, then they should not be welcomed back.
    they should be removed.
    Church Street is a huge success in Burlington Vermont and it has east west cross traffic, just no north/south traffic.
    Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Montreal, Vancouver, Davis, Boulder, Minneapolis.
    those are leading cities that Phoenix should carefully study.
    let's try it.
    if it doesn't work than we can reopen the street to cars.
    Fear of failure is not a valid reason not to try.
    and when it does work, then we look like geniuses.
    http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2012/05/uncertain-legacy-americas-pedestrian-malls/1929/

    Nov 02, 2012 at 12:37 AM  
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    by Ardyce E I recognize that a ped mall makes a dramatic impact, but i think it's more practical to do just one side of a street.

    Sep 25, 2012 at 10:00 PM  
  • Will Novak

    by Will Novak Most pedestrian malls in the country have been since retrofitted to add auto traffic back into them. For every pedestrian mall that worked out, there were 10 that failed. Business need people, on foot, on bikes, in cars, going by to help support them.

    I don't know that PHX has a street that would make a good Ped mall, I'd be very cautious about a plan like this.

    Sep 23, 2012 at 4:48 PM  
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    by Derek H1 The ones that succeeded did so because there was already a lot of foot traffic.

    I think this one can work, because it would create a lot of foot traffic, but it requires commuter rail in order to work: http://www.myplanphx.com/shaping-phoenix-s-future/4th-avenue-pedestrian-mall-farmer-s-market

    Nov 02, 2012 at 9:58 AM  
  • Bob D3

    by Bob D3 Domestically, Lincoln Road, South Beach [Miami] seems to be very successful, as does the much newer Broadway/Times Square in Manhattan. I have a very different take on Fulton Mall [Brooklyn] and 3rd Street Promenade [Santa Monica] - which could be discounted as quibbling perhaps.
    However, each one already was a significant destination before becoming car free.
    Roosevelt Street between Central Ave and 6th Street seems to be the only place outside a mall that is a sufficient destination for being car-free - but only one night a month.
    On the other hand, we could manufacture an outdoor mall like Universal City Walk or The Grove. There's Tempe Marketplace that could act a a model for that sort of thing.

    Sep 23, 2012 at 4:08 PM  
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    by Ardyce E I'd expand this to include all of the city. It might also work on Central south of Camelback or south of Indian School, On McDowell where the pedestrian overpass was recently installed, or at the Orpheum .

    Sep 22, 2012 at 6:37 PM  
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    by David M26 Make sure the city requires it be developed with shade.

    Sep 22, 2012 at 4:49 PM  

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